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garyhoney Gold Poster

Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 33 Location: Surrey, England
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: Ordering Machins from the Philatelic Bureau/ Royal Mail |
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I have managed to find the November Stocklist from the Royal Mail's website which is great. However this has left me a touch confused, easily done. I have sent the following questions to the email address given, but would also appreciate, if people have the time, answers from those that use the service.
Here Goes
1) The downloaded order form in pdf format implies that you can place an order via the web at www.royalmail.com/shop. This seems to be partialy true. Am I correct in thinking that the online shop only offers a subset of the stamps in the stocklist?
2) If I would like to purchase a cylinder block, is it as simple as putting Cylinder Block 2 x 3 in the format column? If yes is the price just that of the stamps.
3) There is a one off handling charge of £1.45. Is this just for my first order and all subsequent orders are the lower £0.45 rate. If not how does one apply for the lower rate.
Many thanks in advance. |
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Gooner Machin Man

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 591 Location: England, UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Answers to your questions Gary - from my many experiences with the PB....
| Quote: | | 1) The downloaded order form in pdf format implies that you can place an order via the web at www.royalmail.com/shop. This seems to be partially true. Am I correct in thinking that the on-line shop only offers a subset of the stamps in the stocklist? |
You are correct - and it is a VERY minimal MACHIN sub-set - you will note you can only purchase FULL sheets of a particular value on-line for instance. The last time I looked you could only buy International booklets and you have never been able to purchase cylinder blocks although the choices were better a few years ago (prior to Smilers being introduced as I remember!!!!).
| Quote: | | 2) If I would like to purchase a cylinder block, is it as simple as putting Cylinder Block 2 x 3 in the format column? If yes is the price just that of the stamps. |
Yes and Yes - try and get anything other than 2x3 that is the challenge (can't be done by the way).
| Quote: | | 3) There is a one off handling charge of £1.45. Is this just for my first order and all subsequent orders are the lower £0.45 rate. If not how does one apply for the lower rate. |
This is the trickiest one. I believe you will always be charged £1.45 if you use the on-line ordering form or in fact if you order by post or telephone. The only way to get the lower rate - 45p - is to set-up a standing order (i.e. become a member).
So for example if you wanted to receive all new cylinder blocks 2x3 and/or Booklets from now until Domesday you will be charged 45p each time they send you a set. However, no matter how big your standing order is they still only charge 45p (unless you order Album Supplements or other heavy items).
One thing I will add is that their verbal customer service is brilliant. I have never come off the phone to them disappointed with the service they have given me. And they tend to follow-up their verbal promises with actions.
I have written to the PB several times over the years asking why their On-Line service is so poor and never received a response - so good luck with your email. _________________ Regards
Dave
http://www.stamp-collector.co.uk
skype: dave.arthur4 |
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garyhoney Gold Poster

Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 33 Location: Surrey, England
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Many thanks
A phone call it is.
All I need to do is persuade my wife that I really do need to have 14 recorded signed for stamps plus the withdrawing high values. |
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Gooner Machin Man

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 591 Location: England, UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Do what I do - don't tell her!!!!!
A note to all UK purchasers .... don't forget that VAT goes back up to 17½% on Jan 1st 2010 so if you are ordering Albums, Pages or other VAT rated items get your order in before then.
This doesn't apply to stamps as they are zero rated (for now!!!!). _________________ Regards
Dave
http://www.stamp-collector.co.uk
skype: dave.arthur4 |
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DaveH Silver Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: PB website and ordering. |
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As a newbie thought you might like this from the PB that I got last week. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
"Dear David
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
I was very sorry to learn from your comments that you were unable to
purchase the item you require and amend your requirements using our Online Webshop.
Due to the vast number of Stamps and related products on offer from
Tallents House, it is not possible to include every product in the range on the webshop. However, we have ensured that the most popular stamps
and related products are available. I also regret that it is not possible
to update your requirements.
I hope you will accept my apologies for the fact that the webshop does not
cater for the item/s you require.
However, you may wish to consider calling the Customer Orderline 08457 641 641 (+44 131 316 7483) between 8.30am to 17.00, Monday to Friday and one of our advisors will be delighted to accept your order.
We accept payment by Visa, Mastercard and Switch/Maestro. You can also fax your order to us on + 44 (0)131 316 7337.
I am sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Regards
Graham Tillie
Philatelic Customer Services"
So there we have it the "definitive" answer! |
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Gooner Machin Man

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 591 Location: England, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Dave - I for one struggle with their explanation of too much content not allowing them to expand offerings on line.
Let's try and put this in perspective. I understand the work that needs to go into keeping an e-commerce site current and fresh.
As most of you know I try to run an "all-world/all reigns" commerce site (although I do tend to major on GB Machins) that for many days a week never changes as unfortunately I have to work for a living and my "hobby" time is restricted. On top of that I have a large family that needs some of my time as well. If you then add on the time for actually fulfilling orders from the site there is not much left in a week to refresh the site. All this without me actually doing anything towards my own collection. Heck - I even like a couple of weeks holiday a year.
Now as far as I know the Philatelic Bureau has NONE of these challenges.
I don't know how many people they have managing their web-site content but I am willing to bet it is more than ONE. They are employed FULL-TIME to do this job. That is at least 35 hours a week per person. With few exceptions they cater for only GB issues. With even fewer exceptions they only deal with items up to a year old. I am sure they have all the modern technology with all the latest e-commerce solutions (rather than a 90% hand-crafted solution). I doubt that any of the people involved in managing the content is also involved in order fulfilment.
I don't doubt that they are very busy and their customer base is many millions bigger than mine, but all we are talking about here is content management - not fulfilment.
| Quote: | Due to the vast number of Stamps and related products on offer from
Tallents House, it is not possible to include every product in the range on the webshop. |
In direct comparison to someone like me, their sales catalogue is tiny.
| Quote: | However, we have ensured that the most popular stamps
and related products are available. |
How many collectors want to purchase sheets of 1p stamps?
| Quote: | | I also regret that it is not possible to update your requirements. |
Come on guys - this is basic e-commerce. I will guarantee your software will allow it - but can you be bothered to employ its use? (if it doesn't change your system - I can supply an e-commerce solution that is FREE that will do this).
So - bottom line - it's not really their content level I am criticising - it is their excuse for the level of it.
In my working life, one of the basic tenets I was brought up with was - don't just raise a problem - present a solution - so below you will find mine.
Let's say they have three people managing content at approx. £30k a year, I will offer to do it for £60k saving them more than one-third off the bottom line and I GUARANTEE that I will be able to have every combination a collector could need up on the site within a year and I will MANAGE the content as well. Last but not least I will GUARANTEE that sales and therefore PROFITS will rise.
An even better solution - If they feel there is not enough margin in PB earnings - then PLEASE out-source it to me - I know I would make a profit.
The only restriction I would put on the T&Cs would be to be able to work from home, its too cold and wet up in Edinburgh for too much of the year for me.
RANT OVER
PS - is there anyone more knowledgeable than me that knows the staffing levels at the PB? _________________ Regards
Dave
http://www.stamp-collector.co.uk
skype: dave.arthur4 |
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DaveH Silver Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dave,
I reckon we should contact Adam Crozier, before he jumps ship to ITV, and make him an offer to save PB £30k+ a year as a going away gift.
I'd be willing to take the odd trip to Edinburgh, as I'm slightly nearer than you, and at least everyone in the Forum would get what they want.
By the way, I didn't know The Alex had a piece of armament on their
shirts!! (extract tongue from cheek).
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Gooner Machin Man

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 591 Location: England, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry if he outsources it to me I will employ you to do the travelling to Edinburgh bit.
I'll concentrate on the socialising (sorry marketing) with Premier League footballers and Soap Stars.
| Quote: | By the way, I didn't know The Alex had a piece of armament on their
shirts!! (extract tongue from cheek). |
Lost me here Dave - the only thing I know of on the Alex shirts is something to do with Mornflake Oats (and as they are generally in the sticky stuff these days - quite an apt sponsor). _________________ Regards
Dave
http://www.stamp-collector.co.uk
skype: dave.arthur4 |
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DaveH Silver Poster
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dave,
Your football doesn't appear to have a lion as a logo, as per The Alex website, looks more like a big gun!
Dave.  |
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Gooner Machin Man

Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 591 Location: England, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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That is because I am an Arsenal supporter - not a Crewe fan. Think I am going to pay £20 a game to watch that bunch of amateurs when I can see Arsenal lose for that much a month.
I am a transplanted Londoner for my sins. _________________ Regards
Dave
http://www.stamp-collector.co.uk
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garyhoney Gold Poster

Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 33 Location: Surrey, England
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:25 am Post subject: |
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On a more positive note the high values coin cover as featured in Deegam Report 86 is available on-line (type AN062 in the search.) More surprisingly this does not feature in their current Stocklist pdf which I thought had everything available from the Royal Mail - silly me.
Still £15:95 is a bit steep for four used stamps  |
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